ravelry losing members

I have enjoyed Ravelry as a fiber art resource that I haven’t found anywhere else. Hello! It is a work in progress, but a great place so far. Politics has no business on a Knitting Website. No political stuff would have been easy and acceptable, but instead they went the way they went. Why does everything have to be so political! Unheard of. ravelry members leaving Fibromyalgia causes pain, tenderness, fatigue, sleep problems, and other health conditions. I’m admittedly still not always exactly…. Well said. I appreciate my trash collector more than a movie star. so long, Ravelry! Only one perspective is allowed. Beautiful post. Yet, I don’t go making a big hoo ha about my country’s politics on a platform that is supposed to be a place for crafters. I’ll stop here and take my leave, my stash and needles in towe. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. And I’m so glad this topic has been raised!! At least Greg’s words give me momentary solace and have reassured me there are at least a few reasonable people left in the knitting world. Ravelry.com is a social website for anyone who likes yarn. I’m with you on this. I actually felt pretty terrible for her. Thank you for putting into words what many of us feel. Some react with anger, others with sorrow. They will not tolerate hate speech and will delete them immediately. There is no sense anymore. In the article my husband and I were reading at the time, Ravelry’s name came up. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. I think here is what gets lost with that opinion. i have also noticed the level of obnoxiousness that comes from the mouths and keyboards of liberals. Deanna, they banned people just for having the kinds of discussion we are having on this blog. They were not interested in allowing us to come together as knitters and start healing. I avoid Ravelry when possible but it would be nice to have a new site to use in it’s place as it’s wonderful exchanging Knitting ideas and promoting your patterns and or yarn’s. Deleted objectionable posts and monitored the situation. Just requested to join the FB page, already almost a thousand strong! I look forward to following your wise blog. Please don’t give up your hobbies and the joy they give you because of hate! There are jerks on both sides. That they can’t see the irony in their own statement makes me shake my head. Just see what happens when someone says they’re leaving Ravelry over this. I want to knit. But another question: Why do you need donations? Cheers! I’ve been asking that same question over and over again. What I heard was no political ideology from eirher perspective would be allowed which is appropriate for a forum devoted to needle crafts. I just deleted my account as well. I am afraid that this will bring negativity to the table for us, and a fear of finding other avenues and ways of insulting people. It actually took my breath away, to be honest. Figure the “member” button was for only members. There are more things going on with their decision other than just Trump issues. I left a comment saying why but they didn’t care. You are spot on. Google xxx pattern -ravelry and every site EXCEPT ravelry will come up! So it’s about knitting and fiber arts and the politics THEY allow. You know, I overlooked d*#ks for teddy bears, f you “magic scarves”, and p*ssy hats. I however sent them a letter questioning their new rule. I am not in control of anyone’s lifestyle choices except my own. You have stated it clearly. I too left Ravelry. Do sellers on Ravelry ask for additional donations after they’ve made a sale? I won’t export your library. anyway.. And these are supposed to be the coexist people. It’s about sharing a love for our craft, not drawing boundaries. Shame on them for their nasty rhetoric!!!!! We couldn’t do it without your support! I mean, it’s just knitting for gosh’s sakes! It’s about making people ashamed of their country and their flag. Apparently, I’ve had my head stuck in the sand. Labeling, stereotyping, name-calling and silencing does not promote positive change. He’s bragged about his sexual aggressive acts, several time and recently said that he wouldn’t have raped a woman not because rape is wrong, but because she wasn’t good looking enough for his appetite. I just spent an hour reading your post and will be following you and your creative talents. Shut up. It’s such a shame to see Ravelry doing this. Not one person has even attempted to answer it. They are disgusting . It took serious thought and great care to try and explain that the present political climate here in America is vicious, hateful, divisive, cruel and generally absolutely insane. That’s what makes me wonder if it was an inside job. There are other places for that. The same with patterns. What I do judge people on is their content of character. When hate supercedes anyone’s logical reasoning and narrows their ability to see beyond that hate. All I want to say is if this is a love that you have, lets not let these political views come into an art that brings comfort, love, & joy. If you are kind and compassionate towards me you will get the same back. But the conservatives aren’t the ones that are obsessed with talking about POTUS it’s the other side. I support you wholeheartedly! Very well said. That shop owner was stupid. As far as I know I don’t have any patterns from these designers but I’m curious how it will affect those that do own some of them. I’ve seen name calling and vulgarity on both sides, and my respectful posts disagreeing with the policy have simply disappeared. Finding inspiration and patterns for our creativity and even help and guidance with patterns. We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. I go with that I’ll treat everyone with dignity and respect, as long as I get the same from them. The only request is that conversation is kept kind and civil. , Sorry to hear this, Check out the New Release my friend….. 4Chan has taken the Knitting glory this morning ❤ Places like the Boycott Ravelry FB group (which was unintentionally made public) are filled with hateful posts already. However, I was hoping this would be one place where the site is for EVERYONE — a place to share our love of crafting and free of politics. You all have helped me straighten my back and do the only right thing here ~ delete my ravelry account. All have been removed and I was also removed from tbe platform before this policy went into effect. Thanks to all! But they continue to have F*ck trump stuff on there. I will be praying for you. Taking away folks’ purchased property is not related to the first amendment. Ravelry’s Terms of Use prohibit the uploading of “vulgar” and “obscene” patterns (item 5a in Terms of Use, http: // www. Not at all. Tired of the double-standard.. it seems okay for Ravelry, (and the people that agree with them), to express their view but anyone with differing opinion must be suppressed/silenced. I am thankful I saw your blog, and truly appreciate your thoughts. The site is for sharing the love of all the needle arts. And the Church’s respect for all human life and the dignity of every human being has long given an example of a better way than non-Christian cultures’ tossing unwanted children in the nearest river on on the nearest hilltop to be devoured by beasts, or leaving tribal elders too weak or sickly for the next migration abandoned in the old camp to starve. It’s all about Trump haters and has nothing to do with knitting or crafting. Lumping people together is what got us to where we are right now. Seems you missed the point of their actions. The writer is not caucasian, so this was written as an accusation, a condemnation. I totally agree with you & I’m also going to delete my account. 2nd time. If voted based on personal values/character/actions then no one would be fit to be a President. Gregory has expressed the thoughts of many, many people who don’t have the talent or forum to present it so well. I cheer on the RBG on AOC dolls and patterns because “creativity!” but gods help me if I were to design something supporting Trump, or conservatives. You said what I have thought and felt beautifully! Can you imagine the uproar if they banned supporting Hillary? One of my very best friends is a liberal gay man with whom I sew costumes for a local theater. It’s a real shame they let their vitriol cause such a division. I just found you and love you already. Now I’m labeled something ugly for agreeing. The other thing I’d like to note is if there was a site rule that certain chatter would not be tolerated they could have just posted it on the login page (I see things like that all the time on my FB groups..I see people getting banned every day for violating the rules), but Ravelry politicized it further by putting it on a worldwide social media platform. I went to the polls kicking and screaming. one of a act to spread peace and awareness… not the opposite. We can all agree and disagree about patterns, colors, worsted or sock weight and keep all politics out of it. I feel as their new policy has succeeded in doing the exact opposite of what they claim they are wanting. Yes, he is quite obviously caucasian, but then… I would happily knit with you any day! Many of us found this site because of this. Some people are just too sensitive. I bit my tongue about it. I don’t feel comfortable purchasing from companies who are tied to a Ravelry, either. I tried to post to their blog twice and both times it was deleted. I’m a lesbian. topic-specific social media discussion forums ban political speech/prevarication of any stripe. Ravelry used to be my happy knit place. Thank you, my feelings, exactly. It never ever entered my mind and I have been knitting for over 50 yrs. Thank you for summing up the Ravelry political issue so well. I may just give up this creative outlet once my stash is gone. AND, politics should be avoided on a site like this and that would have been the best way to handle it. Otherwise it will be like, but not like, Ravelry. I can love you and not like your decisions! Thank you for including me❤. So….any advice on where I can go elsewhere to browse patterns? Of the 8.5+ million Ravelry ‘users’ – nearly 8 million do not have avatars. We have worked so hard for so many years to rid the world of prejudices. Love your words! My first reaction to the new policy was sadness. Take heart and watch it Unravelry!!!! I’ve yet to see one person show evidence that President Trump is a white supremacist. I will be joining Fiberocity once I’ve printed out all my patterns in my library from Ravelry. So, I deleted my account because their decision to ban support of Trump only helps to perpetuate this massive hysteria that has overwhelmed this craft for a long while now. They didn’t say “We don’t want politics being discussed” or the like. I guess as long as you agree with them its considered acceptable only. I just so upset! Ravelry has stated that people who are banned for supporting Trump will still have access to their data (which sounds like I should be able to download and save any paid patterns I’ve bought and any project pages I’ve created). Need to get Stephen Crowder to do a number on Ravelry Just as there will be who folks will continue to honor a man who exudes so much hate for immigrants, African Americans,LGBT?, women, (especially the kind who aren’t his type) there will also be folks will who want a place to express dislike for the man. I deleted my FB…, JRP, that is exactly what Rush Limbaugh predicted…, PS...We don't use Netflix because of their anti-li…, I have migrated to MeWe...I don't tweet...if you h…, Agreed - pray for the conversion of America &…, How about a DISLIKE button?. I no longer buy yarn from manipulative and entirely unkind indie dyers. May your intarsia be flexible and lie flat. People will lie for money. . Gregory, thank you for writing this post. Ravelry, not being the government, can control the speech of its members who are then free to not be members if they wish. GENIUS! Second, I feel your pain. They don’t care about who owns what, because that is a non-issue given their political leanings. I left after their post on Instagram said there could be no discussion. Sounds harmless, enough, doesn’t it? with homosexual things, however I have friends and co workers who are gay and they’re perfectly pleasant people who I enjoy speaking with. Just kidding….keeping a list. website for knitters (and other fiber art related people) .. that has a no-violence i found ravelry after this whole mess you are describing happened. Edited to add the answers to the Monty Python question. Over 2700 users have signed up. This says it better than I can. I am a hard core liberal. I was about to but thought But, I will respond. There seems to be no end to the utter stupidity of the political anti-Trump or anti-Clinton, or anti-fill-in-the-blank. Thank you so much. They are not banning trump supporters but they are banning any open support of his policies. So, you've all obviously seen the posts I've written about this whole Ravelry issue, you know my stance. Also, they are flat out wrong that we are supporting white supremacy. Their site is free to users, and vendors can take their business elsewhere if they wish. My beliefs , political, religious, are my own. Didn’t we all just go there to knit and find other people who had the same interests in all things fiber? It doesn’t stand in the way of my friendship. Or Crocheters or Fiber Artists– whatever–Against Free Speech. I’m now following your blog. Because I AM good – in my heart, in my mind, and in my soul. We all have to pick the side that aligns more “closely” with our ideas, even if we don’t agree with all of them. Long story short, I would have been ok with their announcement had Ravelry NOT labeled a group of people whom they don’t like or agree with as white supremacists. How about Knitricks ? Thanks for the info on the other sites. And not meaning only the ones that go against the new policy; did they think beyond their proclamation and consider while Ravelry losses members how it will impact those that sell through the website? If it were my thing, I’d sign right up. I just know that silencing some for how they cast a ballot is not the America I know and love. I’ve been a member for years it’s where I find all my patterns. It’s not about bridging gaps or bringing people together. They must not have known that “racist” Trump got an award from Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Push Coalition for helping black youth in New York. I was upset they would call me, a Southern, Christian woman who supports Trump, a racist. Gregory, beautifully said. I’ve shared your blog there! There are a lot of people that feel the same way, but you’ll find your crowd! I have always shied away from sanctimonious ideology-its such a negative place to be. What a fabulous post. comfortable…? Sadly I have been proved wrong. This is so eloquently said thank you for posting and so true it breaks my heart to see the world getting more and more divided, I am 59 my sisters were 8,7,6 years older this is so not how I was rasied…my mother said you like EVERYONE till that person upsets you dont group people togerher….I grew up in the world of we each have a side, Lets Talk which is what knitting and knitting with others does, you are so far ahead of these people who wear blinders. R…, Ah, the United Loyalists, or as some unkindl…, Except for Delaware, each of those states had subs…, I think you’ll find that anti-USAism (awful neolog…, Canada has an entirely different constitutional/po…, It would be interesting to see how a “Red America”…, FYI, there is a media platform called Rumble that…, Greenwald resigned from The Intercept over censors…, "How binary was the country during the Civil War?…, LQC: Amen, frater! This is the LAST time.) They have excluded anyone whose opinion differs from theirs. There is also a FB group for venting. I wish we could all come together and just share what we love and let all the rest of the stuff go instead of separating ourselves into exclusive groups. I used Ravelry for many years and enjoyed it until it became a political cesspool. I plan to use her inspiration and my creativity to express my artistic side. This post is only MY EXPERIENCES on Instagram and Facebook. Thank you for this. It was a breathtakingly self destructive thing to do to their business if so…. But when you pick and choose to promote one political stance that is important to you while shutting down everyone else’s opinion on another, then I’m moving on. They simply aren’t allowing anything Trump related on their site. Trump and his people are the worst kind of scum, and anyone who makes a move to stop them has my full support. Thank you. Unlike Revelry, You will not be kicked out here on this site. And telling us we need to check our privilege because we dislike R’s decision. I hadn’t been on Ravelry for a while, but saw that many were leaving and looked up why. Bwahahaha. Ravelry isn’t a safe space. Thank you so eloquently writing how I feel. Thanks for this, you have put it very well. I care for ALL of our fellow men. Gregory, one of the most thought provoking and eloquent blogs you have written, and you have written a lot of them. It’s a real shame they let their vitriol cause such a division. I feel Ravelry is completely missing the plot on this. Gregory Patrick for President. I could have accepted “no hate tolerated ever, by anyone” or even “check your politics at the door” but the misguided application if everything bad at the feet of one small aspect of politics just blows my mind. I do not want to be vilified because of how I may vote. You obviously didn’t read or understand the post. People are divided by many things, not just political or sexual reasons. It is not only unfair, it is damaging to our country. While the label might run true for some of them, it does not for all. My Indian friends have encouraged my curiosity about their beautiful country and have never gotten on to me about my misconceptions. I’ve been in tears this week over the mess on ravelry. and recently said that he wouldn’t have raped a woman not because rape is wrong, but because she wasn’t good looking enough for his appetite. Censoring half of your customers and not the other half is blatantly wrong. A “fuck Trump” pattern is a pro-human rights pattern, whereas a “God is Love” with hidden homophobic undertone pattern is a dehumanizing pattern. This isn’t banning all political speech, it’s bigotry against conservatives. That’s awesome. Yeah…. And, it’s just alleged, even if he’s the one making the allegations at times. In my life I am trying to love everyone as much as possible. Blatant censorship. That was awesome! I moved all my patterns to the LoveKnitting app then deleted Ravelry. If you can’t see the difference or understand why a inclusive website(s) would do this it’s probably better that you do leave. Their message rang loud and clear. Oh, that would make it a perfect world, wouldn’t it? I could have supported them totally if they had come out and said no politics but how can they claim to be inclusive and then take sides. They should have kept all politics off the platform and stuck to their core mission……fiber arts. They’ve made it completely forbidden to express the opinion that Trump supporters are *not* all of those lies people tell. I use Ravelry to catalog my family through items made with love. Polite discourse is dead. That’s their point. You want to gather together and talk, but Trump’s goal is to build walls. So for you l, hateful=any Trump? WalkAway from Ravelry: Intolerant knitting site Ravelry losing members. I dare you’ and ‘your different opinion will be removed’. M Hebert’s husband is a friend of mine.. I used to go there to find inspiration, but now it’s sort of a gulag where the wrong opinions can get you attacked. Ravelry has become a place for hate where personal attacks on people is common place. More and more need to step up and say this is not ok. I’m hoping some wise person will create something along the same lines of Ravelry that will include everyone. Saying “pro” things isn’t bashing anyone. I deleted my account and am praying that a new site for us crafty yarn lovers will rise above this and provide a platform that will be even better. That is how I felt when I first read about it. As a computer programmer, it’s hard to avoid Indian culture. To call all Trump-supporters white supremacists (regardless of why they’re supporting him) is the equivalent of calling all liberals baby killers. I’m not trying to be contentious…I’m truly trying to understand that characterization, because I’ve met a lot of people who say they voted for Trump, and so far I wouldn’t say any of them are “scum.”. No one ever became enlightened and ‘better’ by having fingers wagged at them and being called names. Hence, bad decision. The oligarc…, China Joe Didn't Wine. Supercilious millenials and I am not bashing all millenials. And after having undergone treatment for cancer I’ve discovered life is way too short and way too precious to waste time on futile endeavors. Popular veneration of the Virgin Mary as the mother of Jesus was a major influence on the code of chivalry in the Middle Ages. The last sheep and wool festival I attended, all the left-leaning TDS knitters did was bash POTUS when no one was even discussing him.. they were so obsessed and it all started with those stupid pussy hats. And yes, openly disagreeing with them just creates a huge shit storm. 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